What People Do
A moment to savor intelligent conversation about ONE THING someone else is deeply invested in.
Episodes

Dec 13, 2022
Dec 13, 2022
1hr 10 min
Last month, we heard from academic Joel Schlosser on Herodotus, inspired by my own blog on some excerpts.
Now, a nice Redditor, Georgios from Greece who's read all of Thucydides agreed to discuss the ancient historian with me. We wander close to Thucydides and far afield, but most of all his enthusiasm, enjoyment and sense of humor about the principal characters and events from these old battles and political intrigues made our chat sparkle.
Interested in slowly reading ancient works with Georgios? Check out his Aristotle Study Group here.

Nov 17, 2022
Nov 17, 2022
1hr 3 sec
I have started reading a new set of old excerpted classics, this one gathering writers’ bits and baubles into generally geographic volumes: Greece, Rome, the British Isles, etc. I also write about them. (I write about another set here.)
The first selection in the first volume comes from the ancient Greek historian Herodotus. (You can read my thoughts here.)
Much sharper than my own thoughts, however, are the thoughts of political theorist and Bryn Mawr professor Joel Schlosser, writer of Herodotus in the Anthropocene (The University of Chicago Press, 2020). Schlosser explores exactly what I felt reading Herodotus and what I hope anyone exploring the ancients today wants: something relevant to them now.
In our chat, Joel answers burning questions I had about Herodotus, his own personal experience discovering the ancient historian, and, most important, what we can learn right now about how we think about the world and our place in it.
Herodotus tried to figure out how the ancient Egyptians dug canals, built great buildings, and won and lost wars. And, most of all, why his Greek world was the way it was after the great battles between Persians and Greeks. Be just as curious as Herodotus! Listen ...
P.S. If you’re taken by Schlosser’s observations, buy his book and enjoy, also, a few of his blog posts from the past few years as he worked on it:
“While I imagined myself in conversation with Herodotus, wondering what he’d make of the anarchists’ message of radical equality – was it an update of Herodotean isêgoria, the equal voice he viewed as central to Athens’ flourishing? – I gazed upon the Acropolis with humbled amazement.” (link)
“Herodotus writes for an audience. He wants us to lose ourselves in the story and then to its comedy.” (link)
“Herodotus talks of the phoenix, which immolates itself only to be reborn from its ashes, as well as crocodiles and the special burials Egyptians give to their victims.” (link)
“Herodotus exemplified a form of inquiry that was broad-minded and imaginative in ways Thucydides simply wasn’t.” (link)

Aug 30, 2022
Aug 30, 2022
44 min
Kit Smith is one of the most confident, stable and exuberant kindergarten teachers I've had the pleasure to work with. (We cross paths in a local synagogue's Sunday School).
She's now eyeing a well-deserved retirement from decades of educational work at a private school and her regular Sunday School gig with me.
I absolutely needed to talk to her about how she became a teacher, what teaching means to her, what her teaching philosophy is, what is most exhilarating about working with small children, and what has been the toughest part (hint: not the kids).
If you're interested in education and little kids, this is a must-listen.

Aug 16, 2022
Aug 16, 2022
1hr 1 min
She’s an awesome veterinary practice manager and management consultant in her day job, but Tracy Sheffield moonlights doing local theater and getting called in for small parts that are just perfect for a horse-smart extra.
Find out about her latest gig in an upcoming episode of Walker (find out where to watch it here), how she got started, years ago, watching Animal House get made at her mom’s workplace, and, last but not least, how she helps race horses who can’t race anymore (more about the Roses to Ribbons Old Fashioned Horse Fair).
Photo by Jeremy Bishop on Unsplash

Aug 2, 2022
Aug 2, 2022
37 min
University of Omaha at Omaha’s Heike Langdon explains what goes into an Urban Studies concentration, what she likes best about nonprofit work, and why she was attracted to a field that touches on serious societal problems today and historically.
She’s focused, especially, on redlining in a few large American cities as her degree’s final project. What’s red-lining? Glad you asked. And she’s studying this while she’s working at this cool place on campus that brings together multiple nonprofits under one roof.
Let’s get learning …

Jul 19, 2022
Jul 19, 2022
58 min
Louis teaches “Industrial Tech” at North Kansas City High School. That’s exciting enough. But one of his classes—and a ton of his extracurricular student assistance—is building robots with kids there.
The team competes under the international umbrella of the FIRST Robotics Competition.
Louis switched from his engineering degree to a new world of teaching skills like that to kids.
Here’s Louis’ adventure in teaching and how his kids’ robots are the same, and different, from those cool BattleBots on TV …

Jul 5, 2022
Jul 5, 2022
55 min
"If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.” Maybe that line wouldn’t work on you, but what about somebody who says they’ve found gold, uranium, oil somewhere in them thar hills?
Retired geologist Dan Plazak (pronounced “PLAZ-ick,” not “PLAY-zack” as I figured) wrote a book on it: A Hole in the Ground With a Liar at the Top: Fraud and Deceit in the Golden Age of American Mining, an easy-to-pick up collection of swindle stories published in 2006 by University of Utah Press.
I talk to him about his childhood interest in geology that blossomed into a career, details on some seedy tales from the book and his research, his take on fracking, and his digging into doodlebugs. Don’t know what a doodlebug is? You will when you read the next book he’s working on, but he’ll tell you in this podcast, too. (And here in the January 2021 issue of the Geophysical Society of Houston Journal on page 31.) Listen on ...
P.S. Because of some audio problems, I had to rely only on Dan’s side of the audio, so mine is a little rough. But who cares what I say anyway?

Jun 21, 2022
Jun 21, 2022
1hr 2 min
I’ve known Hilal Dogan for years now. She first came onto my radar when I worked for a veterinary publishing and CE conference company, and she was rocking The Veterinary Confessionals Project. She was a veterinarian by this time, although she put the project together during her time in veterinary school (hear more).
But that’s not my favorite thing about Hilal. My favorite thing about Hilal is she is a driven, goal-oriented free spirit. She is a paradox, and I love it.
Her latest goal, just achieved? Yoga teacher certification at this Denver studio. She jumped right into it during the pandemic the instant they opened their doors, and she adjusted her life of locum tenens (fancy word for part-time) veterinarian work around this new passion.
I love talking to Hilal. Now you get to enjoy it, too. Also, I left in our stumbling start, because I think it’s funny.
Learn about yoga. Learn about Hilal. Think about life with us …

Jun 7, 2022
Jun 7, 2022
1hr 8 min
If you’ve been to a used bookstore, a thrift store or a house with many, many books, you absolutely positively have seen one: a reprint of another book collected in a series to make great work more accessible to average reader of modest means—and squeeze out the last dollar from books that otherwise would drop out of print.
I stumbled onto John Krygier’s online collection of such books as I work my way through the University Library and went hunting for others reading, collecting or studying works of great literature meant for the common woman and man. Before that, in this episode, we delve into geography, his college teaching specialty.
Then, it’s on the Modern Library and more.
If you’ve ever wondered what geography is all about, the weird nuances of maps, or the joy of collecting less-expensive rarities, this is for you.
P.S. John Krygier mentions The History of Cartography, Atlas of Design, and Lawn People.

May 24, 2022
May 24, 2022
46 min
When I spoke to her, Hannah was a manager at The Dusty Bookshelf in Manhattan, Kan., home of Kansas State University. Her location—there’s another in Lawrence, home to University of Kansas—sells new books, used books, gifts and other sundries and, yes, coffee. Hannah liked the coffee side of things so much, the hustle and bustle, helping folks fast and efficiently, that she was about to run off on a new adventure to manage a coffee shop in downtown Chicago. That’s a big leap for a young lady who grew up a “townie” in the college town, loves the small town, but, yeah, wanted to try something different.
So, the best part for me is, I also got to ask Hannah all about how she was planning to make the big move into a new apartment, a new city, a new-ish life of more opportunities to do more cool cultural stuff.
This podcast, then, is a two-fer: Bookstore managing! Making the big jump!
Big thanks to Hannah, to, who was the only manager, worker or owner at used bookstores nationwide who responded to my weird, cold-calling email request to answer my questions about life in bookstores. So, either I’m bad at asking folks for interviews, or bookstore owners, by nature, don’t want to be interviewed for stories, preferring the life behind the counter and between the pages to being a voice on the internet.
This was going to be part of a series, but, hey, until I grab half-a-dozen interviewees, let’s just say Hannah Emery is the best, most bad-ass bookstore manager I’ve ever interviewed … they broke the mold when they made her … and she’ll get to stand, at the end of this phase of her book-selling career, as a solitary statue of wisdom for us to enjoy ...

What People Do: Interviews of Discovery
When COVID happened, I started talking to friends, family and acquaintances about something they did. The topics, personalities, and conversational directions go many different ways, but the important thing remains the same: We are all worth the time it takes to sit down and talk a while to each other. What would you learn if you slowed down, asked more questions, and delved into something interesting to ... someone else?



